“But when a community adopts purity, simplicity, and asceticism as core tenets—ones approaching matters of morality—you can end up with a community that makes things unpleasant for not just the impure and hedonistic, but also for just plain normal people. And they will go elsewhere.”

I’ve seen more than one community go that route. You can certainly argue that Agile flirted with that in the early days. So did TDD advocates.

The Clojure community seems to me a weird mix of the extremely helpful and the dismissive. I’m suggesting a different tone that’s more inviting to a broader group of people. I’m also suggesting that tone is a “real thing” – it influences decisions like the language design and allocation of clojure/core time. And those things can in turn reinforce the tone by (for example) attracting certain types of people. And so round-and-round you (can) go.

The feedback loop can narrow the language and its community into a niche. But a feedback loop can also be a positive one that keeps pushing the language into broader use.

I’m saying that Clojure’s current tone is one for a niche language. I want a broader language. As a new business owner, I don’t want to invest heavily in the former. I would in the latter.

I think Marick associated himself too much with the idea of TDD and his ego got hurt when Hickey said something opposing it.

It wasn’t a technical argument. It was completely personal.

thanks for mentioning my tweet about Clojure on CloudFoundry and for collecting all those interesting news! Would you mind updating the post to show the correct twitter name (@nilswloka instead of @nilsvloka)?

Kind regards,

Nils

Wikipedians won’t let you exercise common sense and express common knowledge without proper procedure.

So, I wouldn’t worry about the ordering as much as I now worry that your blog post will bring scrutiny again to that uncited statement.

:(

http://www.clojureql.org/
https://github.com/getwoven/crane

But, I know some that do, or at least prefer to not touch the mouse, since it is quite a disruptive hand and arm movement.

I myself use the trackpad when on my laptop, but if I can learn the keyboard shortcut, I try to do so. When I use a desktop computer with a mouse I feel like I waste a lot of time with the mouse.

Nevertheless, I use the mouse/trackpad when I browse the web, not sure why.

No complaints about the new format yet, so I guess it’s staying…

Thanks!